The Deist Alberto Sánchez in his article "atheist repetitive speech " wrote these responses to an atheist who happened to criticize: alberto
: "Science is based on the observable (observable) to reach the inobsevable (scientific theories). Similarly, rational arguments for the existence of God based on observations (empirical) to reach a theoretical construct (God) that is intended to explanatory power. " Critical
: The rational arguments for the existence of God are only fallacies that have been exposed as such a long time by atheists G. Well, M. Martin, T. Drange, etc. and, without going any further, I have refuted many of these fallacies in my blog "militant atheism" is false and that believers have a divine capacity explicativa.Por theory true, as M. Bunge explanation = description of a mechanism, but God can not be a mechanism because: a) defines intangible and these are processes materiales.b) defines immutable and mechanisms are becoming. Therefore God is not any mechanism and, therefore, no explanation. Besides, if everything has an explanation, then God would also have (do not stay that everything has an explanation?) And if not, the argument no more than a begging the question in which order, ad-hoc manner, the number of explanations in God (why not for a little before?) so capricious and unjustified. Alberto
: "I've been delving into these topics and issues I found interesting in making a rational approach: 1 mentiras.Ejemplo often directly: the Taxa camera." Critical
: With respect to Taxa camera does not know if it is reliable or a scam, because as Pepe Rodriguez said on his website could be that this was in secret Vatican library to which access is forbidden to ordinary of mortales.Claro, there may have been a fraud nineteenth century, but it is curious that, as Pepe says on its website, many Catholic theologians and even a Jesuit who was consulted on the give and reliable Taxa, and it is strange that if it "knows" that the Taxa atheism is a lie some priests believe it is a document veraz.Por other hand, no mention Alberto documents if they know everyone, including Christians, who are "devout Christian lies? such as the Donation of Constantine false, false letters of Paul to Seneca, false letters of Jesus to a prince of Edessa, etc. cheap without apology to the "lie" (pia fraus) to "save souls" advocated by St. Paul, Origen, and other saints Liars for God's sake. Nietzsche used to say that Christianity is "the holy art of lying." Alberto
: "2 º Bias fuertísimosEl \u200b\u200bfocus attention only on what may be the negative. Ej, criminal history of Christianity. You could do a criminal history of atheism, communism, Spain or whatever you want ... What would prove to skew partedel hate you type? Would that be fair to atheism, communism, or Spain? ... NOT creo.En reality, those who complain most of the pools are the most splash in them. " Critical
: why an atheist would have to be so stupidly condescending to your enemies allegedly highlight positive aspects of Christianity that they reject? or perhaps devout believers (like you) sing praises and rave to atheism or communism that both despise?. Christians have committed crimes is undeniable, universal history confirms this, so it would be absurd and "unfair" to hide or cover with a blanket of silence their pious crimes in the holy crusades, inquisitions, etc. It is not just ignore and conceal these crimes and to historiography, and for future generations, not least for the families of the victims of "Christian love" as he was not "fair" to the pagans, Cathars, Templars, Waldenses, Ottomans, freethinkers, atheists, deists, and even heterodox Christians being tortured, roasted, impaled, crucified, hanged, quartered by the "representatives of the God of love and peace." By the way, would not be "fair" and honest to conceal the crimes of atheist Marxism (such as reveals the "black book of communism") nor is it unfair to reveal the crimes of the anti nacionalcatólicos Franco, Pinochet, etc.Therefore way, also DEISTER have committed crimes and wars like the deist Frederick II of Prussia who triggered the war of 7 years in the eighteenth century. the deist Robespierre, idolizes the Goddess of Reason, guillotine sent 40,000 "reactionaries." the French Revolution itself, with its millions of dead, and independence movements in the USA and Latin America took center stage at Freemasons Deists corpses who planted their respective countries, is not it Alberto?. "argument" is the whole fallacy alberto distracting and ad-hominem tu quoque "elude the charge with another charge without proving that the accusation of fallacy falsa.ésta opponent is as follows: what Christians have committed crimes? what? also atheists have committed crimes (but does not refute the charge of crimes Christians). what those who complain of the pools are the most commonly splash? good, I think that given who else is complaining of the fallacies committed by atheists, as is the case, or commit further muddy the mud sophist: -). Alberto
: "3 ° It takes a very small and hypertrophy cósmicos.Se levels gives a case of pedophilia in a group of millions and is exacerbated as if they were all Christian priests suspected or convicted of same. Same thing with many cases. It is the fallacy of taking the part for the whole, but theatrically exaggerated. This is not to say that the situation is not serious ... but also that perpetrators may be simply traitors who, after believing in nothing, have not had the honesty and the courage to leave an institution that I have received ... In order to provide scientific assessments relevant to these charges, you should establish rigorous statistical comparisons to see if there are significant differences with other institutions. The rest is obvious quackery and deceit ... of course for those who want to see beyond ideological stubbornness. "
Review: alberto pontificated," but also that perpetrators may be simply traitors who, after believing in nothing, have not had the honesty and the courage to leave an institution that I have received. "Here we have a case of no true Scotsman fallacy, since according to the "exegesis" of alberto no true Catholic, a believer in God-father and the holy virgin, could make aberrations pedophile (sic) is also false Catholic who steals only because it prohibits ICAR? false Catholics are those who have coveted his neighbor's wife or have had extramarital aventurillas just because they prohibit the holy commandments? (re-sic) that some pedophile priests are traitors? and because the judge as harshly as traitors to Catholicism if you, supposedly, you're not Catholic? what matters to a case if someone betrays deist or not Catholic faith? unless alberto is showing a "lint" and betrays the Catholic "shameful? which is (just a hypothesis). Alberto here is committing the fallacy of taking the part for the whole to say that "all" atheists judge as to the entire group pedophile Catholic priest, an assumption is obviously false and meaningless and only result of ideological stubbornness "Catholic? alberto. Alberto
: "4 º do not define ethical valuations from which budgets are made. It is those who complain are both ethical and cultural relativist .... As they carry their own review from the base."
Critical : Here's another hasty generalization fallacy alberto: "Those who complain are both ethical and cultural relativist" will all atheists who criticize the relativistic ICAR? Is Gustavo Bueno relativistic atheist? Is the relativistic Mario Bunge atheist who has also criticized the ICAR? it does not, as a glance to show their ethical theories. Alberto
: "What I said before, the same be said of any other ideology, including religion. The killing most of the time Hansen for political reasons. Religion was an excuse. You only need to revise history with pocode critically. And Stalin and co who have committed other crimes stemming from his fierce anti-religious atheism. Can hardly deny their massacres and religious persecution .... Curious to see your double standards to assess ...."
Review: Yes, very curious double standard is the "critical? Applied alberto: most of the crimes of Christians (the same Alberta recognizes contradicting) were only for political reasons, but atheists have been persecuted only for causes anti-religious (sic). Here alberto just flipped the atheist argument that debate, but both make the same mistake: assuming that there is only one stop because the wars and massacres, when the historical-critical sense tells us are many and it is misleading to reduce múlples causes (political, geostrategic, ideological, economic, etc) to a single. For example, it is true that the crusades had economic causes (the rich spoils of the East), but it would be foolish to deny that such shipments also had religious mobile: free the holy places in the domain of competing Muslim religion. the cruel and bloody were the Crusades were due precisely to its religious justification, because they were fighting the enemies of God himself, the wicked and heretics who deny the divinity of Christ and the Blessed trinity for his insolence deserved to die just to go faster to hell that was the place certainly in store for those blasphemous cult of Mohammed, do not ?;-). that the ex-seminarian Stalin, who studied in Rome the Jesuits, he pursued many true believers, but also finished off the Marxist atheists Bukharin, Trotsky, Kamenev, etc. 20 to 30 thousand officers of the Red Army, to 10 million peasant proprietors, etc., and I doubt that these persecutions and killings were religiously motivated by .... I doubt also that Catholics have murdered the pantheist Giordano Bruno and the atheist Vanini for purely political reasons ... (sic).
alberto : "Of course, neither the Pope nor the Catholic priests are recognized by all Christians, let alone for Disable ALL who believe in God ... This argument, too, that Pope sirve.Y I recognized those mistakes is what surprising and honor him. Among other reasons, the current Pope is not responsible for what his colleagues did 1000 years ago. No one would expect a similar attitude from any other group, including ateo.Por other hand, why not ask the judges forgiveness for the crimes they have committed other judges siglosejerciendo your profession? Just tell another profession or community that has existed for centuries ... why queh of asking an ancient church? In the final analysis, the you call religious judgments often the courts ultimately executed civilians, often with political rather than religious .... sought the unity of the state. "
Review: Well, it seems that Alberto is another naive to down the folds of the pope, because only the pope apologized for the crimes of the Catholic laity, NOT FOR THE CRIMES OF THE CHURCH AS AN INSTITUTION, since it supposedly can not sin by being "perfect" (sic). " What merit is the pope to apologize for the crimes of the laity who have nothing to do with the crimes committed by priests on ever asked sorry .... no less recognized as such?. Here the pope simply washed his hands and made the nerve to attribute all the crimes of the Church of the Dominican inquisitors, the intriguing Jesuits, the commanders of concentration camps Franciscan lay a. .. as priests as intermediaries of God, they did what they had to do to realize the two thousandth anniversary of the Vatican plan catolizar everyone and baptizing the infidels .. with fire and sword if necessary ad dei gloriam.No majorem doubt that trials were executed by the civil courts, but those convictions were dictated the religious inquisitors within the religious courts, as the Inquisition was created by the ICAR and by Saint Dominic in the thirteenth century with the mission to exterminate the Cathar heretics. Subsequently, in 1478, Isabel the Catholic asked Pope Sixtus IV, the establishment of the Inquisition and the pope appointed inquisitors 8, including the Dominican Torquemada, to pursue and settle the false Jewish converts, Saracens and other heretics who demonstrate the "tolerant" (sic) who were the holy mother church and the Catholic crown. Indeed, the Inquisition allowed greater centralization saved border barriers, but it is obvious that if roasting of heretics was that these were, or are suspected of having, dissenting views to officers matters of religion, but would not be "heretics." Inquisition also served as a spearhead in the fight against the reform that had strong doctrinal discrepancies in the field with the ICAR-RELIGIOUS. Of course there were also political motivations, but reducing it to pure religious politics is a crude reductionism that explains nothing and becomes unintelligible to the wars of religion (which is called something like that).
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